How about plastic flies?

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How about plastic flies?

Postby crawdadcraig » Mon May 07, 2012 10:36 am

I'm no purest when it comes to fly fishing but I'll admit that you just can't beat plastics when it comes to catching bass. So as the saying goes, if you can't beat them...! I finally perfected a fly pattern (yes, I consider this a fly) that can effectively compete with soft poured plastic worms. It works like and looks like one of these...
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but it's not. It didn't come poured in a factory and bought in a scented bag. It had to be hand made. It's related to one of my other flies called the Wee Willie Wiggler...
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and is made from some of the same material but in a much larger size.
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and at the FFF Conclave at Unicoi State Park last week it was called ingenious by this guy
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So I'd call that a serious endorsement. After the show I got an invitation from Double Haul (Robert Causey) to come down his way and show him how to better catch bass on his ponds with a fly. Double Haul usually uses casting gear and lures bigger than some of the fish I've seen posted on the board lately so he is a trophy hunter. The water we went to fish is still water, not a river but is loaded with largemouth bass. But the lake was about four feet low putting most of the shoreline cover out of the water. It was soon apparent that this would be an offshore bite. Out came the depthfinder, marker buoys, sinking fly lines and my new worm fly. Given its proximity to dark side fishing I'm calling it Darth Baiter. It has interchangeable weighting, like most of my flies plus a replaceable tail if it ever gets damaged. One fly lasted me all day and after eight good bass and several times being hung up, it is still in perfect condition and ready to fish another day.
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It took a lot of searching but we managed to find a few sunken logs hidden out in the middle of nowhere and got ourselves a few nice fish. Double Haul who is unfamiliar with sinking lines but did manage to get the hang of throwning one tried it for awhile but just couldn't connect before getting comfortable with a ten inch worm on a casting stick to score too. So I guess this was a really good test for my worm fly versus a true plastic worm. It did better than hold its ground, it was the bait of choice this day. Here's a little taste of our day...
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby crawdadcraig » Mon May 07, 2012 10:44 am

Don't know what happened to this picture but here's the endorsement guy...

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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby Riverpirate » Mon May 07, 2012 11:00 am

Welcome to my world. lol

I think having you approve of my use of plastics is wonderful.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby shoalieman » Mon May 07, 2012 11:30 am

Nice pics & thread---an enjoyable read for sure.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby dhatch » Mon May 07, 2012 11:45 am

It looks like that fly has what it takes, like all of yours. Congrats on a great trip and a great new fly to add to the stable.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby SmallieSam » Mon May 07, 2012 12:35 pm

Great and ingenious as always. I'll take a half dozen in green pumpkinseed and half dozen in Junebug!
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby crawdadcraig » Mon May 07, 2012 4:00 pm

Naw, River Pirate...I'll send you a few and then welcome to real fly fishing not conventional gear fished on a fly rod. I created these just for you, I want you to be able to truly say your big fish were caught on a FLY! Plastics ARE great but I don't want to condone using THEIR stuff to do it.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby otter » Mon May 07, 2012 8:24 pm

I'm trying to become a fly fisherman. I've bought the recommended rods, the vests, a fly tying vise, fly tying stuff from a shop on the internet, waders and a canoe to get me to where the bass are.

I thought from reading the forum that to be a fly it had to be tied with stuff from birds and rabbits and artificial stuff made to look like it came from birds and rabbits with limited encroachment from artificial sparkly stuff which (shhhhhhhh) may actually be some sort of plastic material. Now I am all confused. What is the plastic/rubber looking stuff the tail is made from? Is it rubber? Surely fishing with rubber is not fly fishing? Or is it? I had previous to the threads on this forum thought if you cast something with a fly line you were fly fishing, but that just goes to show you how important these forums are for your learning curve when you are just starting out.

But to me who am neither a purist nor much of a fly rod user that is a GREAT looking (fly?) . . . hmmm . . . worm looking thing and obviously seducing bass. You are to be congratulated for your contribution to fishing. When will and where will I be able to buy some so I won't be in that berated and hated plastics group?

Apparently I'll be safe from attack if I use a rubber looking thing that looks like the plastic thing, but isn't. Or will I?
I've been afraid to be seen bass fishing with what I have that I bought before I knew what I now know.
In fact, I'm sorry guys for buying those plastic crawfish and grub looking things to use on my new fly rod. I was just following Randy who seemed to know what he was doing with all the fish he was catching and guiding others to catch. I didn't mean to get out of line. I really do want to be a fly fishman and have my posts of fish which I dream of catching on the day I finally actually go fishing with my fly rod respected as caught when fly fishing.

And what hatch does that which you have made match? It resembles a little the thing that hatched and was on my tomato plant this morning, but it was shorter and thicker and didn't have those big bug eyes.

Anyway I'll be glad when those great looking, plastic look alikes are available. :)
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby Riverpirate » Mon May 07, 2012 8:41 pm

What would anybody expect of a pirate? We don't generally follow the norms. In fact a good pirate is never really sure where he is going and rarely is sure when he gets there. A good pirate knows what he wants and usually does not follow others to get it. I am proud to be a good pirate!

Oh and Craig, I would certainly try your flys.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby SmallieSam » Mon May 07, 2012 9:37 pm

Craig, you have opened another proverbial "can" with those "worms." In my humble opinion, the defintion of a fly is something that was not manufactured and is hand-made. There is no such thing as a fly that was tied by a machine. Even those flies in the plastic packaging at the box store was hand-tied before it was packaged. It's the craft and creativity involved that makes Craigs creation a "fly" and not the materials used per se. Of course that opens another argument, but molding worms, building spinnerbaits, molding jig heads, tying bucktails, etc. all fall under "tacklecraft" and creating for traditional tackle. How you choose to fish a Fluke is one's own personal preference, but it ain't no fly. . . I see no reason to apologize if that's how you roll though. . .
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby crawdadcraig » Mon May 07, 2012 9:47 pm

Good for you Pirate! Be true to yourself. I'll get you some FLIES and then we'll all be amazed at how well you can fly fish cause you sure know where they live. As for the feather and fur stuff...well that's just trout trash talk. What trout guys consider fly fishing is NOT fly fishing for bass. Matching the hatch does not matter nearly as much in bass bugging because most of what a bass eats doesn't hatch the way bugs do, it's not the same fish, same techniques nor does it follow the same "traditions". Rarely is it a "fly" that we are imitating in the first place but rather bait such as crawdads, leeches, hellgramites(an actual fly) shad, minnows, frogs, salamaders, sculpin, bream or even trout themselves. This stuff isn't in the typical trout fly handbook, it's in the bass fishing book. Different fish, different history, different techniques and flies. Many bass flies resemble nothing in particular other than something alive and edible or just annoying and needing of a good wack. Rubber legs and other parts have a long history in bass fishing, the trout guys are just now trying to catch up to this. Here's just a brief run down of "rubber" products straight from a major fly tying catalogue.

crazy legs, centipede legs, round rubber legs, life flex, sili-skin, crystal skin, flexi-tails, chewee skin, thin skin,v-rib,hollow body tubing, etc. I could go on and on, "rubber" and other synthetics make up a huge portion of fly tying today. They're here to stay so get used to it. Natural materials are going the way of a land line phone. After all it's BASS fishing we're talking about here, not trout. With all these great tying products, why would one have to stoop to using a commercially poured baitcasters plastic worm when you can make a better one of your own? Using their products, you don't stand out from conventional gear guys, you become one. Dare to be different, be a fly fisherman.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby double haul » Mon May 07, 2012 10:00 pm

I can't wait to try the dart baiter in the river on some shoalies. It was probably one of the toughest days that I have ever had on this body of water but craig still caught a 16 pound stringer of largemouth on the fly. That new pattern is killer.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby nielson » Tue May 08, 2012 5:13 pm

I'm already regretting this but I can't believe that I'm the only guy who, after reading this, conjures up the thought of "Pigs and Lipstick"?

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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby crawdadcraig » Tue May 08, 2012 9:44 pm

???? Must be a southern thing! All I think is I like flies that catch bass. Tradition is over rated old news.
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Re: How about plastic flies?

Postby Coach d » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:36 am

Hey guys. Fly fisherman from NC here. I was wondering if anyone knew the name of the toy used for this fly or where to pick one up at? Cannot find it up here. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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