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Carp? Help needed

Postby mattyk04 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:38 pm

First off let me say that I have a natural curiosity for stuff like this and really dont want to spam this board / bore or annoy anyone with topics such as this, but...I caught this fish today on Lake Thurmond, in the Keg Creek area in shallow water bait fishing with a nightcrawler. I dont know what it is but suspect a carp, calling on the carpers on this site to see what you think....(i know, technically this wasnt a river fish)

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Postby mattyk04 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:51 pm

This fish looks to me like a grass carp...only problem is that I caught it with a worm. From what I have read grass carp are vegetarians.
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Postby FishingAddict » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:05 pm

looks like a giant shad to me, but I could be wrong!
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Postby sumtershoaliefan » Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:15 pm

Shad. Not sure which species.

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Postby PawPaw » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:00 pm

SSF.....you don't know nutin about no carp or shad!! The only fishes you are good at identifying are HUGE SHOALIES,
HUGE LARGEMOUTH BASSES and HUGE SPOTTED BASSES
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All kidding aside, that fish looks like a grizzard shad. I believe the grizzard shad gets to be bigger than the threadfin shad.
Or it could be the other way around. What do I know. It's definately not a carp!!
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Postby AthensDog » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:05 pm

You are all wrong, that is a golden shiner.
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Postby bigmouthbass » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:08 pm

i bet that would be awesome cut bait for some stripers if it is a shiner
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Postby mattyk04 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:02 pm

thanks for all the replies, its an interesting debate. To AthensDog, i agree the picture looks right but what I keep coming back to is the fact it took a worm.

"Golden shiners primarily feed on zooplankton; a study at Clear Lake in California showed zooplankton as 95% of the diet. They may also eat insects, or filamentous algae if little else is available." (From wikipedia).

Its not very clear from the picture but this fish also had a barbel below its chin - another reason I thought carp at first (and I guess a golden shiner is a type of carp?)
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Postby AthensDog » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:25 pm

mattyk04, that is a golden shiner. They will eat worms. I used to catch them in my grandpa's pond on nightcrawlers and red wigglers all the time. They are in the same family as carps, Cyprinidae. Shiners, chubs, minnows, and carp are all in the same family. Golden shiners don't usually have chin barbels, but apparently some do. That looks like a nice one. They have been introduced everywhere because they are good baitfish.
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Postby FishingAddict » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:25 pm

Most vegan fish will eat a worm...mullet, carp...shad!
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Postby mattyk04 » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:34 pm

You talked me into it. Golden shiner it is. I am also noticing now the downward sloping lateral line on this fish which apparently is a characteristic of the golden shiner. Thanks again for all the help everyone. A goal of mine this year is to catch a striper (never have before), if I encounter this guy again he will be cut bait indeed.
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Postby kokosing lover » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:47 pm

I've caught golden shiners on foam poppers while fishing for panfish before. One of the dead giveaways for golden shiners is that the lateral line dips down along its body instead of being an arch.
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Postby waderjon » Sun Sep 16, 2007 8:49 pm

Looks like a shiner to me too...Could have been bait at
one time and got lucky...Its a bigun no doubt...
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Postby croaker » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:17 pm

ADog got it right.

Golden Shiners can get big. Have caught a couple over the years that were pushing 1 1/2lbs.

Most of the big ones were caught on a sneaky pete, worms on the spinning gear or a cast net.
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Postby Blackwater » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:46 am

Definitely a shiner. The Savannah River drainage had lots of them. You can catch them on little pieces of worm or with dough balls. Somepeople eat them but not me.
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